Pandeism and panendeism got cooked up in 2001. They try to slap “deism” on pantheist mush. They’re fakes, plain and simple. Pandeism’s just atheism with a Nature fetish. It calls it “god” without a shred of divine spine—pure bunk. Panendeism’s worse. It’s a secular knockoff of the Holy Spirit. It buzzes in New Age cliques and Facebook “Deist” echo chambers. It’s tangled up with Indian spiritualism. Neither’s got a lick of historical Deism. It’s mystic garbage hijacking the name. It bashes Christianity or peddles agendas—like some leftist pantheism scam. Reason snorts at the stench. Let’s cut through it.
Back in 17th-century England, Deism took Christianity and scrubbed it clean. It was for scientific minds. It dumped magic, dogma, and Church chokeholds. It held fast to a transcendent God. It kicked Jesus’ divinity, Original Sin, and Paul’s Platonist rambles to the curb. Unitarianism was its kin. Then it hit 18th-century France. Radicals like Voltaire and Rousseau gutted its ethics. They swapped in Aristotle’s Prime Mover. They unleashed secular chaos—Robespierre’s Terror was the ugly payoff. That’s not Deism. That’s humanism with blood on its hands. Real Deism, my kind, sticks to reason—not mysticism. Check the creed. It’s one God, not “in” Nature, no pantheist fuzz.
I tangled with a “panendeist” online. Here’s how it went. “Calm down, Deist,” he says. “I’m no atheist—I believe in God, as a Master Mason must.” Masons lean Gnostic, not monotheist. Nice try, but Deism’s God doesn’t swim in trees. “My site’s a basic take on panendeism—blending pantheism and Deism,” he claims. Your site’s New Age slush. Years in Christian mysticism, zero grip on Deism. Just hostility dressed up as Aristotle’s ghost. Internet “Deists” sold you a bill of goods. “Panendeism mixes pantheism’s ideas with Deism’s—‘a spark of the divine’ in all,” he pushes. That “spark” line’s straight out of Rajinder Singh’s New Age book. It’s mysticism, not Deism. You’re not blending—you’re bulldozing.
“Pantheism’s New Thought tweaks theism; Deism saved Christianity from science,” he doubles down. Wrong twice. New Thought’s 19th-century mind-healing mush—metaphysical goo per Britannica. Deism embraced science to fix Christianity, not shield it. You’ve got no footing. “Deism’s God steps back; panendeism keeps that but ditches reason’s limits for mystic knowing,” he pivots. That’s Voltaire’s Prime Mover—atheist bait. The Big Bang torched it. Deism predates France’s Enlightenment by a century. No mystic fog, just cold logic. “Panendeism’s experiential—‘all is within Deity,’ not ‘all is God.’ Matter’s infused with the Creator’s spark,” he insists. Same pantheist dodge. “Within” vs. “is” is wordplay. “Spark” reeks of Gnosticism, not Deism. “Panendeism’s a framework—‘Deology’—not faith. TransDeism’s the practice,” he finishes. “Deology”? “TransDeism”? That’s transcendentalism with a facelift. New Age buzz, not science or Deism. You’re stitching mystic scraps, not building anything.
Panendeism’s no Deist offshoot. It’s New Age fluff with a stolen badge. You’re not lying—just suckered by web “Deists” and your mystic itch. I’ll give you that much, Mason. Sincerity’s fine. Gnostics have their sandbox. But don’t warp Deism into this. Reason trumps vibes. History trumps daydreams. Deism’s stuck because humanists and mystics like you keep jacking it. Debate’s fair. This ain’t Deism—it’s your own little cult.
Acknowledgment: Grok, an AI by xAI, helped smooth this takedown. The edge—reason over mystic bunk—is all mine.
